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011.108 And as to those
who are made happy, they shall be in the garden, abiding in it as long as the heavens
and the earth endure, except as your Lord please;
a gift which shall never be cut off
This verse explains to us that those who are granted paradise, shall be there forever-?a
gift which shall never be cut off?
Ali: Look brother Qadi, I have told you before that please do not present any hadith,
I do not need hadith. Everything we need is in the Qur?an; the Qur?an alone is Allah?s
word. I don?t want to hear any hadith! If you think intercession exists and the
Prophets and pious can interceded and that their prayers will be accepted then please
answer my following Question: Why was Sayyidina Nuh?s (peace be upon him) prayer
not accepted? When the flood was immanent, he prayed to Allah asking Allah Almighty
to save his son, yet we know that his son was not saved. If the Prophet?s cannot
help their own sons then how then will they be able to help us!
Qadhi: I am surprised that it was a ?learned?
man who made such a claim that Sayyidina Nuh
(peace be upon him) prayed for his son to be saved though he was not
saved. If he was really a learned man he would have been aware that in actual fact
Sayyidina Nuh (peace be upon him)
did not pray for his son to be saved from the punishment. However, he
(peace be upon him) did ask Allah Almighty a question regarding his son.
It is interesting to note that Sayyidina Nuh
(peace be upon him) asked that question once the water had been sucked
from the earth and sky became free from clouds and when the arc had settled at the
mount. Did your learned shaykh not think that what would be the point of Sayyidina
Nuh (peace be upon him) in praying
for his son to be saved form the flood after
the flood had finished? I will recite the verses discussing the account of the flood
and Sayyidina Nuh?s question, (peace be upon
him). Please listen carefully to each verse and then you will see that
Sayyidina
Nuh, may Allah bless him, did not ask for his son to be saved from the flood
anywhere! As Allah Almighty says in the Qur?an:
011.040. At length, behold! there came Our command, and the fountains
of the earth gushed forth! We said: "Embark therein, of each kind two, male
and female, and your family - except those against whom the word has already gone
forth,- and the Believers." but only a few believed with him.
011.041. So he said: "Embark ye on the
Ark
, In the name of Allah, whether it move or be at rest! For my Lord is, be sure,
Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful!"
011.042. So the
Ark
floated with them on the waves (towering) like mountains, and Noah called out to
his son, who had separated himself (from the rest): "O my son! embark with
us, and be not with the unbelievers!"
011.043. The son replied: "I will betake myself to some mountain:
it will save me from the water." Noah said: "This day nothing can save,
from the command of Allah, any but those on whom He hath mercy! "And the waves
came between them, and the son was among those overwhelmed in the Flood.
011.044. Then the word went forth: "O earth! swallow up thy
water, and O sky! Withhold (thy rain)!" and the water abated, and the matter
was ended. The
Ark
rested on
Mount
Judi
, and the word went forth: "Away with those who do wrong!"
011.045. And Noah called upon his Lord, and said: "O my Lord!
surely my son is of my family! and Thy promise is true, and Thou art the justest
of Judges!"
011.046. He said: "O Noah! He is not of thy family: For his
conduct is unrighteous. So ask not of Me that of which thou hast no knowledge! I
give thee counsel, lest thou act like the ignorant!"
011.047. Noah said: "O my Lord! I do seek refuge with Thee,
lest I ask Thee for that of which I have no knowledge. And unless thou forgive me
and have Mercy on me, I should indeed be lost!"
011.048. The word came: "O Noah! Come down (from the
Ark
) with peace from Us, and blessing on thee and on some of the peoples (who will
spring) from those with thee: but (there will be other) peoples to whom We shall
grant their pleasures (for a time), but in the end will a grievous penalty reach
them from Us."
We come to know of many things from these verses. I?ll state them for you, so please
understand each one carefully:
·
In
the first verse, Allah Almighty commands Sayyidina Nuh
(peace be upon him) to gather his household in the arc. From listening
to this commandment, Sayyidina Nuh (peace
be upon him) thought that the people of his household will be saved (including
his son!) ?thy
household, save him against whom the
word hath gone forth already, and those who believe.? However, when
he saw that his son was amongst the losers and that he too had drowned, a question
arose in the mind of Sayyidina Nuh (peace
be upon him). He thought why did Allah Almighty promise to save his household
(including his son), though his son was not saved. It was for this reason that Sayyidina Nuh,
may Allah bless him, asked the following question
once his son had died
011.045 And Noah called upon his Lord, and said: "O my Lord! Surely my son
is of my family! and Thy promise is true, and Thou art the justest of Judges!"
In this verse, Sayyidina Nuh (peace be upon him) is asking Allah a question: Surely
His promise is true (that his household would be saved) though why was his son not?
Allah Almighty answered:
011:046 He said: "O Noah! He is not of thy family: For his conduct is unrighteous.
So ask not of Me that of which thou hast no knowledge! I give thee counsel, lest
thou act like the ignorant!"
Allah Almighty explained to Sayyidina Nuh (peace be upon him) in this verse that
what He meant by household, were those who believed in Allah and Sayyidina
Nuh (peace be upon him) to be the Porphet of Allah. Those who reached and received
Allah?s blessing through following Sayyidina
Nuh (peace be upon him) were those who were
saved because of believing Allah through Sayyidina Nuh (peace be upon him).
We have now established that Sayyidina Nuh (peace be upon him) did not ask for his
son to be saved, though a questions till stands: what did Allah Almighty mean when
He said to Sayyidina Nuh (peace be upon him):
011:046 So ask not of Me that of which thou hast no knowledge!
Allah Almighty
is telling Sayyidina Nuh to Sayyidina Nuh
(peace be upon him) not to ask Him that of which he has no knowledge.
What was the question that Allah Almighty stopped Sayydiina Nuh
to Sayyidina Nuh (peace be upon him) from asking? Well, once Sayyidina
Nuh?s (peace be upon him) son was
not saved and had died, Sayyidina Nuh (peace
be upon him) may have thought that now that my son has died, what is
the next best thing that I can do for him? The next best thing is to obviously pray
for the betterment of his son?s life in the Hereafter. So, Sayyyidina Nuh
(peace be upon him) was going to pray that Allah Almighty decreases his
son?s punishment. However, even before Sayyidina Nuh
(peace be upon him) could make this prayer, Allah Almighty stopped him
from doing so. The reason is that Allah Almighty dislikes not answering the prayers
of His Prophets. So, even before Sayyidina Nuh
(peace be upon him) asked the question, Allah stopped him so that He
would not have to reject His Prophet?s prayer.
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If the Khawarij reject that Sayyidina Nuh
(peace be upon him) was going to pray for the betterment of his sons
life in the Hereafter and Allah Almighty stopped him because he did not want to
reject His Prophet?s prayer, then I put forward this question to you and your shaykh.
If this was not the question that Sayyidina Nuh
(peace be upon him) was going to ask, what was it?
Please do not say that Sayyidina Nuh
(peace be upon him) was going to ask for his son to be saved, because
I have already clarified that Sayyidina Nuh
(peace be upon him) was going to ask this question
after his son had died. Also, Allah Almighty had already answered what
He meant by ?saving your hosuehold? and why his son was not saved! Why did Sayyidina Nuh
(peace be upon him) want to pray
for his sons betterment?
Sayyidina Nuh
(peace be upon him) was a Prophet
that appeared in ancient times: at a time when mankind was relatively young. At
this point in time, there was no commandement from Allah Almighty that one cannot
pray for the disbelievers after they have passed away. It was for this reason that
Sayyidina Nuh (peace be upon him)
was about to pray for his son. The commandment that prohibited praying for the disbelievers
after they had passed away came a long time after Sayyidina Nuh
(peace be upon him) during the time of Sayyidina Ibrahim
(peace be upon him) as Allah Almighty says in the Qur?an:
009.113. It is not fitting,
for the Prophet and those who believe, that
they should pray for forgiveness for Pagans, even though they be of kin,
after it is clear to them that they are companions of the Fire.
009.114. And Abraham prayed
for his father's forgiveness only because of a promise he had made to him. But when it became clear to him that he was an
enemy to Allah, he dissociated himself from him: for Abraham was most tender-hearted,
forbearing.
Wasila and
Sayyidina Nuh?s
(peace be upon him)
son
011.042.
So the
Ark
floated with them on the waves (towering) like mountains, and Noah called out to
his son, who had separated himself (from the rest): "O my son! embark with
us, and be not with the unbelievers!"
Once the flood had come, Sayyidina Nuh
(peace be upon him) called to his son and told him to ride with them and
not to be with the disbelievers. Sayyidina Nuh
(peace be upon him) was the wasila
between Allah Almighty and his son. If his son had listened to his call and believed
what he said, he could have been saved. This example shows us that those who do
not believe or accept the words of the Prophet?s will be those who will fall into
destruction, just as Syayidina Nuh?s (peace
be upon him) son did. By accepting the
wasila of Sayyidina Nuh (peace be upon
him) even the animals were saved, this is a very clear warning
for those who do not believe in wasila,
as those who did not fell into destruction.
A Prophet
and His companions are blessed
Allah Almighty further tells Nuh
(peace be upon him) that Allah?s blessings are upon him and those with him.
From this we learn that just because the righteous people obeyed Sayyidina Nuh?s
(peace be upon him) message and
listened to him, they also became of the blessed people. As Allah Almighty says:
011.048.
The word came: "O Noah! Come down (from the
Ark
) with peace from Us, and blessing on thee and
on some of the peoples (who will spring) from those with thee: but (there will be
other) peoples to whom We shall grant their pleasures (for a time), but
in the end will a grievous penalty reach them from Us."
Ali: I am now going to present you with a
tenth verse, proving that the pious and Prophets were worshipped due to
their piety
010.028 On
the day when We gather them all together, then We say unto those who ascribed partners
(unto Us): Stand back, ye and your (pretended) partners (of Allah)! And We
separate them, the one from the other, and their (pretended) partners say: It was
not us ye worshipped.
010.029 Allah sufficeth as a witness between us and you, that we were unaware
of your worship.
010.030 There
doth every soul experience that which it did aforetime, and they are returned unto
Allah, their rightful Lord, and that which they used to invent hath failed them.
Qadhi: Brother
Ali you are unfortunately once again taking out of context what you recited. If
you bothered to read the following verses of the first verse you have just recited,
it would have become clear that the verses are talking of idols not the deceased
pious! As Allah Azawajal says in the
Qur?an:
010.035 Say:
Is there of your partners (whom ye ascribe unto Allah) one that leadeth to the Truth?
Say: Allah leadeth to the Truth. Is He Who leadeth to the Truth more deserving
that He should be followed, or he who findeth not the way unless he (himself) be
guided. What aileth you ? How judge ye ?
This verse tells
us that what the polytheists worshipped besides Allah did not guide them in anyway
or lead them to the truth, though we are aware that the pious do nothing but guide
to the truth! So this verse cannot possibly be talking of the deceased pious but
just as the other verses, it is talking of idols or jinn. We are then further informed
that what the polytheists worshipped was just ?conjecture?, meaning that it was
baseless, a guess at best. However one cannot argue that the existence of pious
people is conjecture: they are real and their existence cannot be denied. Therefore
it is impossible that the verse you presented is applicable to the deceased pious
as clearly the following verse explains otherwise:
010.036 Most
of them follow not but conjecture. Assuredly conjecture can by no means take
the place of truth. Lo! Allah is Aware of what they do.
Further information
given about what the polytheists would worship is that on the Final Day, the polytheists
will deny what they worshipped as Allah Almighty says in the Qur?an:
030.013 There
will be none to intercede for them of those whom they made equal with Allah. And
they will reject their partners (whom they ascribed unto Him).
However it is
not possible that Allah will allow the polytheists to deny his Prophets and pious
people, thus this verse cannot be talking of them, but as always it is discussing
idols! Allah Azawajal informs us that
on the Final Day, the pious Muslims and the disbelievers will be raised separately
as He states in the Qur?an:
030.043 So
set thy purpose resolutely for the right religion, before the inevitable day cometh
from Allah. On that day mankind will be sundered-
036.059 But
avaunt ye, O ye guilty, this day!
We are then
further informed how this separation will take place and how Allah will gather the
polytheists and the angels will then lead both the polytheists and what they worshipped
into Hell. As Allah Most Kind says in the Qur?an:
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037.021
This is the Day of Separation, which ye used to deny.
037.022 (And it is said unto the angels): Assemble those who did wrong, together
with their wives and what they used to worship
037.023 Instead of Allah, and lead them to the path to hell;
037.024 And stop them, for they must be questioned.
037.025 What aileth you that ye help not one another ?
037.026 Nay, but this day they make full submission.
037.027 And some of them draw near unto others, mutually questioning.
037.028 They say: Lo! ye used to come unto us, imposing, (swearing that ye spoke
the truth).
037.029 They answer: Nay, but ye (yourselves) were not believers.
037.030 We had no power over you, but ye were wayward folk.
037.031 Now the Word of our Lord hath been fulfilled concerning us. Lo! we are
about to taste (the doom).
037.032 Thus we misled you. Lo! we were (ourselves) astray.
037.033 Then lo! this day they (both) are sharers in the doom.
037.034 Lo! thus deal We with the guilty.
037.035 For when it was said unto them, There is no God save Allah, they were scornful
037.036 And said: Shall we forsake our gods for a mad poet ?
From these verses
we understand that both the polytheists and what was worshipped will be cast into
Hell. That which was worshipped will say they themselves were astray therefore they
mislead their worshippers; they will both then share the doom. However we are fully
aware that Allah Most Merciful will not throw His Prophets nor the pious into Hell!
We are also aware that the pious were not mislead and neither did they mislead others.
In conclusion, we understand from these verses that idols and Jinn are being discussed
not the previous prophets and pious people!
Regarding the word ?Stand Back? in the verse 010.028 you presented
In the verse
you presented, Allah Almighty is angry with that which was worshipped besides Him
and at those who worshipped something other than Him. Allah commands them to stand
back, and says this in an emphasis to denote just how severe the situation is. It
cannot be possible that Allah will treat His pious people in this way (i.e., to
rebuke them) therefore what was worshipped cannot be the pious but the idols. Also,
the Qur?an says that Allah Almighty will gather that which was worshipped besides
Him in addition to those who worshipped others beside Him. Once they are both brought
together, Allah will command them to ?Stand Back!? This command will only take place
once that have been gathered before Allah.
Brother Ali;
you claim that Muslims are worshipping the deceased pious. If we agree with this
misconception, this means Muslims have become
mushriks (polytheists) and that on the Day of Judgment these
mushriks will be brought forward to Allah with their deceased pious
(which they allegedly worshipped) and Allah will say to them ?stand back?.
However, elsewhere in the Qur?an we are told many times that the Muslims
and mushriks will be brought forth separately?therefore it cannot be that
the deceased pious and mushriks will
be brought forth together. Rather, it will be the Idols and the Devil which are
brought forth along with the mushriks
and infidels. As Allah Almighty has repeatedly informed us that the Muslims and
infidels will not be brought forth together they shall be brought forth separately:
030.012
And at the time when the hour shall come the guilty shall be in despair.
030.013
And they shall not have any intercessors from among their gods they have joined
with Allah, and they shall be deniers of their associate-gods.
030.014 And at
the time when the hour shall come, at that time
they shall become separated one from the other.
030.015 Then as to those who believed and did good,
they shall be made happy in a garden.
From this verse
we see that the Muslims and infidels shall be separated from one another and that
the Muslims will be granted paradise.
041.029 And those who disbelieve will say: Our Lord! Show us those who beguiled
us of the jinn and humankind. We will place them underneath our feet that they may
be among the nethermost
In this verse
we are told that the mushriks will ask
Allah to show them that which they worshipped besides them so that they may ?place
them underneath their feet?. If you think that the Prophets and pious were worshipped,
do you think Allah will allow their ?worshippers? to talk of is beloved Prophets
and pious in this way! SubhanAllah!
030.043 Then
turn thy face straight to the right religion before there come from Allah the day
which cannot be averted; on that day they shall become separated.
036.059 And to day, be separate, O you culprits!
The above verses that I have just recited also inform us that the infidels will
be separated from the Muslims on the Final Day.
From what I have recited, we can see that the Muslims
and infidels will be brought forth separately. It is completely incorrect to think
they will be brought forth together or that Allah will be angry with the Prophets
and the pious.
A Question
A question may
arise that how can it be that the idols will be resurrected and brought forth on
the final day? The answer to this is that
IDOLS WILL BE RESSURECTED ON THE FINAL DAY
029:025. And [Ibrahim (Abraham)] said: "You have taken (for
worship) idols instead of Allâh, and the love between you is only in the life of
this world, but on the Day of Resurrection, you shall disown each other, and curse
each other, and your abode will be the Fire, and you shall have no helper."
In this verse which I have just recited, we are told
that the idols will be resurrected on the Final Day, where they will disown their
worshippers and curse one another. Both the idols and worshippers will be cast into
Hell separately and alone from one another as we are told in 010.028., where they
will neither benefit one another or be able to intercede.
Ali: The polytheists
of Makkah believed that Allah was the Creator, they worshipped Him and in difficult
times they would invoke Allah. However, they also believed that the deceased pious
were the intermediates between themselves and Allah as Allah Almighty says in the
Qur?an:
029.061 And
if thou wert to ask them: Who created the heavens and the earth, and constrained
the sun and the moon (to their appointed work) ? they would say: Allah. How then
are they turned away ?
029.062 Allah maketh the provision wide for whom He will of His bondmen, and straiteneth
it for whom (He will). Lo! Allah is Aware of all things.
029.063 And if thou wert to ask them: Who causeth water to come down from the sky,
and therewith reviveth the earth after its death ? they verily would say: Allah.
Say: Praise be to Allah! But most of them have no sense
These verses
prove that the polytheists of Makkah did not deny Allah and they worshipped Him,
however, they made intermediates between themselves and Allah.
Qadhi:
This is correct. The polytheists of Makkah did believe in Allah, though they did
not associate the deceased pious with Him in any way. They did that for Lat, Mannat
and Uzza (their idols).
·
They
believed in two gods, though they believed their gods were rivals with the one God.
·
They
gave their idols a higher status than Allah. For example, if they distributed 10
dates for the sake of Allah, they would distribute 12 for their idols. (I seek shelter
in Allah!)
·
When
they slaughtered animals they invoked the names of their idols.
·
They
used to make sacrifices for their idols.
·
They
thought their gods were entitled to be worshipped therefore they worshipped them.
·
When
someone would insult or swear at their idols they would insult and swear at Allah.
(I seek shelter in Allah!)
·
They
would sacrifice their children in order to please their idols.
·
They
would harvest in the name of their idols.
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Setting up rivals to Allah
002.022 Who
hath appointed the earth a resting-place for you, and the sky a canopy; and causeth
water to pour down from the sky, thereby producing fruits as food for you. And do
not set up rivals to Allah when ye know (better).
002.165 Yet
of mankind are some who take unto themselves (objects of worship which they set
as) rivals to Allah, loving them with a love like (that which is the due) of Allah
(only) - those who believe are stauncher in their love for Allah - Oh, that those
who do evil had but known, (on the day) when they behold the doom, that power belongeth
wholly to Allah, and that Allah is severe in punishment!
014.030 And
they set up rivals to Allah that they may mislead (men) from His way. Say: Enjoy
life (while ye may) for lo! your journey's end will be the Fire.
034.033 Those
who were despised say unto those who were proud: Nay but (it was your) scheming
night and day, when ye commanded us to disbelieve in Allah and set up rivals unto
Him. And they are filled with remorse when they behold the doom; and We place carcans
on the necks of those who disbelieved. Are they requited aught save what they used
to do ?
039.008 And
when some hurt toucheth man, he crieth unto his Lord, turning unto Him (repentant).
Then, when He granteth him a boon from Him he forgetteth that for which he cried
unto Him before, and setteth up rivals to Allah that he may beguile (men) from his
way. Say (O Muhammad, unto such an one): Take pleasure in thy disbelief a while.
Lo! thou art of the owners of the Fire.
041.009 Say
(O Muhammad, unto the idolaters): Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the earth
in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals ? He (and none else) is the Lord of
the Worlds.
These verses
prove that the polytheists of Makkah used to believe in idols as rivals against
Allah Azawajal.
Imam Bukhari writes:
Narrated Al-Bara:
Abu Safyan said, "Superior
may be Hubal!" On that the Prophet said (to his companions), "Reply to
him." They asked, "What may we say?" He said, "Say: Allah is
More Elevated and More Majestic!" Abu Sufyan said, "We have (the idol)
Al-'Uzza, whereas you have no 'Uzza!" The Prophet said
(to his companions), "Reply to him." They said, "What may we say?"
The Prophet said, "Say: Allah is our Helper and you have no helper." Abu
Sufyan said, "(This) day compensates for our loss at Badr and (in) the battle
(the victory) is always undecided and shared in turns by the belligerents. You will
see some of your dead men mutilated, but neither did I urge this action, nor am
I sorry for it." Narrated Jabir: Some people took wine in the morning of the
day of Uhud and were then killed as martyrs.
This hadith
proves that the polytheists worshipped and obeyed their idols in rivalry against
Allah (I seek shelter in Allah!). They were very proud that ?Hubal overcame the
Muslims.? They would tease the Muslims and say, ?we have uzza though you do not.?
Polytheists worshipped two gods
016.051 Allah
hath said: Choose not two gods. There is only One God. So of Me, Me only, be in
awe.
From this verse
we learn that the Polytheists worshipped two gods, what they worshipped besides
Allah was not the deceased pious, it was in actually fact the idols! Furthermore
they did not think that the deceased pious were intermediates between them and Allah
but they directly worshipped idols besides Allah!
They worship other gods than Allah
The beloved
Prophet Muhammad (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) and his companions refused
to worship the polytheist?s gods. This was due to the fact that they did not worship
Allah alone and they worshipped their idols in rivalry against Allah Most High.
As Allah says in the Qur?an:
010.104 Say
(O Muhammad): O mankind! If ye are in doubt of my religion, then (know that) I worship
not those whom ye worship instead of Allah, but I worship Allah Who causeth you
to die, and I have been commanded to be of the believers.
010.105 And,
(O Muhammad) set thy purpose resolutely for religion, as a man by nature upright,
and be not of those who ascribe partners (to Allah).
109.001 Say:
O disbelievers!
109.002 I worship not that which ye worship;
109.003 Nor worship ye that which I worship.
109.004 And I shall not worship that which ye worship.
109.005 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
109.006 Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.
053.018 Verily
he saw one of the greater revelations of his Lord.
053.019 Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza
053.020 And Manat, the third, the other ?
006.080 His
people argued with him. He said: Dispute ye with me concerning Allah when He hath
guided me ? I fear not at all that which ye set up beside Him unless my Lord willeth
aught. My Lord includeth all things in His knowledge. Will ye not then remember
?
These verses
prove that the polytheists worshiped other than Allah, such as the idol al-Lat.
That?s why the prophet Muhammad (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) said:
109.002 I
worship not that which ye worship;
A question arises
that why did the Prophet Muhammad (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) say
that he does not worship that which the polytheists worshipped, when we understand
that the polytheists did believe in Allah? The answer to this is that they did not
worship Allah, they just believed He
existed. Despite acknowledging that Allah Almighty was the Creator of all, they
persisted in their worship of other gods besides Him, the Almighty.
They worshipped Iblis
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